Saturday, February 18, 2012

Guan Eng flays Soi Lek over graft in BN

February 18, 2012


Lim Guan Eng at the debate. -- Photo by Jack Ooi
KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 – Lim Guan Eng took his rival Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek to task today over alleged corruption within Barisan Nasional (BN), singling out the RM12.5 billion Port Klang Free Zone (PKFZ) scandal where two former MCA leaders have been charged with cheating the government.
The DAP secretary general said in a debate with Dr Chua if Pakatan Rakyat (PR) took over federal government, it would stem leakages due to graft, allowing it to abolish tolls and offer Sabah and Sarawak a hike in oil royalties to 20 per cent from the current 5 per cent.
“The PKFZ is not the first scandal involving MCA leaders. What change has MCA done and how is it no Umno leader has been prosecuted?” he said of the project which was first mooted when former MCA boss Tun Dr Ling Liong Sik was transport minister.
Both Dr Ling and his ministerial successor Tan Sri Chan Kong Choy, a former MCA deputy president, face charges of lying to the Cabinet after the project, initially estimated at less than RM2 billion, more than doubled to RM4.6 billion by 2007.
“We want to establish a policy state not a police state. If we win, we will abolish tolls on the North-South Expressway and Penang bridge and increase oil royalties in Sabah and Sarawak,” Lim told an audience of 800 who were largely MCA supporters.
“If we take over Putrajaya, we will give you RM1,000 every year,” a smiling Lim added, referring to the RM500 direct cash given by the Najib administration to all households with a monthly income below RM3,000.
But Dr Chua also insisted MCA is anti-graft “which is why we never demonstrate when our leaders are charged,” an apparent reference to PR’s assembly outside the court here when Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim faced the verdict for his sodomy trial on January 9.
“We have confidence in the law. We never say our leaders are innocent,” the former health minister added, saying he could not comment on the case specifically as it would be subjudice.
The stern-looking former Labis MP also dismissed Lim’s promises and pointed out Penang has not done away with the Sg Nyior toll in Butterworth despite promising to do so during Election 2008.
The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?” was also screened on Astro in both Mandarin and with Malay translation.












M'sian Chinese conference starts off highly-charged, rowdy

KUALA LUMPUR (Feb 18, 2012): The "Malaysian Chinese at Political Crossroads" conference today got off to a highly-charged and rowdy start as the first question-and-answer session saw delegates from MCA and DAP shouting and heckling one another.
Rushing to ask questions after the first discussion, titled "Malaysia's changing political landscape, demand for good governance", one delegate demanded to know what the MCA had been doing to further the interests of the Chinese, especially in terms of participation in government-linked companies (GLCs).
"Why are Chinese representation in GLCs not protected, what about the small number of Chinese in the civil service, do you think MCA is doing enough to protect the Chinese?" he had asked, to loud boos and heckles from the delegates seated at the MCA-designated area.
MCA vice-president Datuk Seri Liow Ting Lai, who was the first to speak durng the discussion, assured that the MCA constantly strives to protect Chinese interests.
"We are actively ensuring that GLCs have multiracial participation. As for the civil service, I too am, equally concerned with lack of Chinese in the civil service. This has been discussed many times in Cabinet," said Liow to cheers from the MCA side.
"I want to tell you that we (MCA) know the changes that we need (to make) to move forward, and we will bring these changes to the people. Our Prime Minister (Datuk Seri Najib Abdul Razak) has ensured us that Chinese community will be protected," he said.
However, more unintelligible shouting ensued, which was quickly put to an end by Asli chairman Datuk Michael Yeoh, who was the moderator.
The conference got off to a tense start from the get-go, as MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek had pulled no punches in his opening speech, criticising his opponent, Penang chief minister Lim Guan Eng, way ahead of their much-anticipated 5pm debate.
Chua accused Lim of misleading the Chinese community and pitting them against one another, as well as called Lim "arrogant" for not listening to the woes of the people in Penang.












MCA-DAP debate: Honesty wanted



















UPDATED @ 08:06:44 PM 18-02-2012
February 18, 2012


Dr Chua (left) and Lim share a light moment before the start of their debate. In the middle is moderator Tan Ah Chai. — Picture by Jack Ooi
KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — The highly anticipated debate between Lim Guan Eng and Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek saw both leaders accuse the other of being afraid to stand up to Umno, the dominant Malay party that has held the reins of power since independence.
MCA president Dr Chua began the debate by immediately accusing Lim’s DAP of being “political eunuchs” who dare not go up against Umno in elections.
“DAP says it is multiracial but depends on Chinese support and wins only in Chinese seats. They tell Chinese they need to teach Umno a lesson but they never face Umno,” he told an audience of over 800.
But DAP secretary general Lim shot back, saying the MCA has never been brave enough to stand up to its Barisan Nasional (BN) partner.
“Umno talks about Ketuanan Melayu (Malay Supremacy). Is MCA brave enough to stop them? Can’t MCA see, this two-race system is within BN itself,” the Penang chief minister said.
The Bagan MP also referred to the RM250 million National Feedlot Centre (NFC) scandal that has engulfed Wanita Umno chief Datuk Seri Shahrizat Abdul Jalil, calling it “just the tip of the iceberg.”
“Former MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has admitted MCA used to eat Umno’s leftovers. But now MCA can only get breadcrumbs,” he said.
Dr Chua, who deposed Ong as party president in March 2010 after a protracted power struggle, dismissed Ong’s statement, pointing out “that’s why in one year, we brought him down.”
Lim also said that the RM12.5 billion Port Klang Free Zone (PKFZ) scandal has seen Tun Dr Ling Liong Sik and Tan Sri Chan Kong Choy, former MCA president and deputy president respectively, being charged in court while their then Cabinet colleagues from Umno “got away scot free.”
But Dr Chua said this displayed his foe’s “racial sentiment by asking why only Chinese were charged but not Malays.”
The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?”, was also screened on Astro in both Mandarin and with Malay translation.
The floor largely backed a stern-looking Dr Chua whose opponent smiled through most of the debate despite enduring heavy fire from questions by the audience.














February 18, 2012


Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek at the debate. – Photo by Jack Ooi
KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 – Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek said today DAP will be unable to stop PAS from establishing an Islamic state should Pakatan Rakyat (PR) come into power as “PAS is the taiko (big brother).”
The MCA president pointed to how PAS held the mentri besar post in Perak after Election 2008 despite DAP having the lion’s share of state assemblymen.
“Perak DAP had 18 seats. PKR and PAS together had 13. The taiko should be DAP but PAS became the taiko,” he said in today’s debate with his rival Lim Guan Eng.
“DAP has no way of stopping PAS. PAS will create an Islamic state. Kelantan and Kedah show us clearly that DAP is actually a slave to PAS,” the former health minister added, referring to the two state governments currently led by PAS.
But Lim dismissed the accusation as “Barisan Nasional’s (BN) dirty tactics” as “Umno tells Malays, PAS is used by DAP instead.”
“We are not anti-Malay. Only anti-corrupt BN. PAS, PKR and DAP, nobody is using anybody. We are only ready to be used by the public,” the DAP secretary general said to the 800-strong audience of largely MCA supporters.
Dr Chua has repeatedly accused DAP of trying to create a “two-race” system with Chinese supporting the opposition PR and Malays backing BN and called on Chinese not to allow this to happen as it will also lead to PAS forcing Islamic laws on non-Muslims.
However, Lim, who is Penang chief minister, accused MCA of not being brave enough to stand up to Umno, the Malay party that has held the reins of power since independence.
But Dr Chua responded saying “you ask if we dare to fight Umno? Does DAP dare to fight PAS?”
The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?” was also screened on Astro in both Mandarin and with Malay translation.














February 18, 2012


Lim (left) and Dr Chua greet each other warmly at the end of their debate. — Picture by Jack Ooi
KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek has called his debate with DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng this evening a victory for the public, who got to hear views from both sides of the political divide.
The MCA president, whose hour-long debate in Mandarin with Lim was shown live on Astro, stressed that the public should not see the event as a “school debate” with winners and losers but a chance to better understand the two parties.
“The winner is the people, and not Lim Guan Eng or Chua Soi Lek, because they are the ones who know the true position of the parties,” he told reporters after the debate at the “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference here.
Dr Chua hoped the debate held at Berjaya Times Square Hotel here would serve as starting point for similar events between the MCA and DAP in future, but said that it would be up to individual politicians to decide if they wanted to do so.
Lim also said today’s debate on the two-party system in Malaysia had benefited the people as such exchanges were part and parcel of a healthy democracy.
This was because debates helped to air advice and dissent, which is crucial to building consensus through a process of public consultation, he explained.
He wished to see other leaders from Barisan Nasional (BN) and Pakatan Rakyat (PR) take part in such debates, singling out Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak.
“We hope this small step will be followed by a big one, that is (a debate) between Datuk Seri Najib and opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim,” Lim said, joking that the public would get bored if only he and Dr Chua debated each other.
Najib has baulked at several offers from Anwar to debate on policy issues, which the PKR de facto leader has said would let voters decide for themselves if the opposition pact’s plans for the country had merit.
The Umno president had previously demurred by saying debates were not necessary as political parties were more important than individuals in Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy.
Both Dr Chua and Lim said they would debate each other again soon in Bahasa Malaysia and English on another topic.















February 19, 2012
KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 19 — Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has threatened to reveal even more names implicated in the RM12.5 billion Port Klang Free Zone (PKFZ) scandal after the controversy was highlighted at yesterday’s debate between Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek and Lim Guan Eng.
The former MCA president said last night that “none of those names” mentioned in reports lodged with the authorities have been produced before the courts yet.
“Whats happening right now (court proceedings) is not even the curtain raiser. It has not even begun yet!” the Pandan MP told his constituents at a Chinese New Year event.
DAP secretary general Lim took his rival Dr Chua to task yesterday over alleged corruption within Barisan Nasional (BN), singling out PKFZ where former MCA boss Tun Dr Ling Liong Sik and his successor as transport minister, former MCA deputy chief Tan Sri Chan Kong Choy, face charges of lying to the Cabinet.
The project, initially estimated at less than RM2 billion, more than doubled to RM4.6 billion by 2007. But Dr Chua also insisted MCA is anti-graft “which is why we never demonstrate when our leaders are charged,” an apparent reference to PR’s assembly outside the court here when Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim faced the verdict for his sodomy trial on January 9.
“We have confidence in the law. We never say our leaders are innocent,” the former health minister added, saying he could not comment on the case specifically as it would be subjudice.
But Ong (picture), who was deposed as MCA president by Dr Chua after only 15 months in charge, pledged that he “will see it through... till the end no matter how long it takes. You have my assurance on that.”
‘“This (ongoing events) is nothing compared to what was mentioned in the thick and heavy volumes of reports lodged with police, Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission and the Prime Minister’s Department which (Bar Council president Lim) Chee Wee is also aware of.
“None of those names mentioned in the reports have been produced before the courts. There was so much and I would like to know if it has been read them yet,” Ong added.
While he was transport minister, Ong had ordered several probes and committees to look into the scandal but was then sacked from Cabinet after he lost the MCA presidency to Dr Chua in March 2010.
















Tee Keat blasts 'rotten' Soi Lek over MCA decline

20 Feb 2012 | 321 views
Former MCA president Ong Tee Keat has hit back at his successor Dr Chua Soi Lek for accusing him of incompetence during his tenure.

Chua had dragged Ong's name into his debate with DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng last Saturday, saying Ong could not lead and was hence taken down by party members in less than a year.

The issue arose when Lim asked Chua about MCA being fed crumbs by Umno in the BN coalition.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/189691




















September 30, 2011
KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 30 — Former MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has said his successor Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek is not a “winnable candidate,” pointing out that the former health minister’s 2007 sex scandal will be a major liability in the general election expected to be called soon.
Dr Chua, who deposed Ong as MCA boss in a fractious power struggle 18 months ago, has yet to confirm his own candidacy despite revealing this week that several current leaders will not run in the coming polls.
Rumours have been swirling since February that Ong (picture) will also be dropped but the Pandan MP told The Malaysian Insider in an interview this week that Dr Chua’s 2007 sex video scandal will continue to plague the MCA president and Barisan Nasional (BN).
“Is he a winnable candidate? I don’t think the Malaysian public can accept him. Of course, he wants to run. He has been saying five divisions want him to contest and many including him will say that personal misconduct or immorality is no excuse to deny him the right to contest.
“But they are not deep-diving into winnability. If he were to contest, it will be an acid test of the values of the electorate,” Ong said.
Dr Chua stepped down as health minister and MCA vice-president in 2008 after admitting he was the man featured in a secretly recorded video which showed him having sex with his lover.
But he made a comeback later to win the party’s deputy presidency after the MCA’s top two leaders resigned due to its poor showing in Election 2008. The party won just 15 of 40 federal and 31 of 90 state seats it contested.
The party subsequently sacked Dr Chua in August 2009 over the sex scandal, sparking an extraordinary general meeting where a vote of no confidence in Ong was passed.
Dr Chua became MCA president in March 2010 in fresh elections where he saw off Ong and former president Tan Sri Ong Ka Ting.
The MCA holds what is likely to be its final general assembly this weekend before federal polls are called.
But despite having three presidents in as many years, the party has seen Chinese support continue to shrink in by-elections.
Some analysts said that the Tenang polls held earlier this year saw just 18 per cent of Chinese voting for BN.
The Malaysian Insider understands that senior BN component Umno has written off Chinese support for the next general election, expecting no more than 30 per cent of the community’s backing.
Ong said in the interview that “MCA members need to ponder on why there are question marks over whether the president himself is going to contest” as this was an indicator of the party’s relevance to the public.





















October 01, 2011
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 1 — The MCA is on the path to irrelevance, its former president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat said this week ahead of the party’s annual gathering this weekend.
He told The Malaysian Insider in an interview that the Barisan Nasional (BN) component has not heeded the push for reform that saw the party lose 25 of the 40 federal and 59 of the 90 state seats it contested in Election 2008.


Ong said the reforms he tried to implement in the MCA ‘all went down the drain’ after he was ousted. — File pic
“MCA is still stuck in the mindset of being gung-ho with statements instead of delivering good governance. It is parroting old polemic rather than delivering reforms asked for by voters.
“If MCA continues on this same old path and psyche, then it is certainly headed for irrelevance. Some have bluntly said we are already irrelevant,” said Ong, who was deposed as MCA boss by Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek in a fractious power struggle 18 months ago.
The Pandan MP cited, as examples of “empty platitudes,” his successor’s threats to quit BN if Umno implemented hudud and to resign from the Cabinet and other government posts if the party does not improve in a general election expected soon.
“I don’t see how his threats can lift the party from its doldrums,” he said.
The party holds what is likely to be its final general assembly this weekend before federal polls are called.
But despite having three presidents in as many years, the MCA has seen Chinese support continue to shrink in by-elections.
Some analyses state that the Tenang polls held earlier this year saw just 18 per cent of Chinese voting for BN.
Datuk Seri Najib Razak has begun taking over the charge for Chinese votes, spending last weekend dishing out RM15 million to Chinese schools and exempting a Community Chest project headed by Chinese tycoons from tax to help it channel RM100 million a year into vernacular education.
“Najib as BN chief is spearheading initiatives to win Chinese votes, triggering the question of ‘where is MCA?’ from the public,” Ong said.
He said the MCA could not shirk its responsibility as part of government despite Umno’s seniority in the ruling coalition.
“How are they justifying their position as minister? Chinese want a level playing field. Ministers must get rid of cronies and monopolies,” he said.
Ong cited his 26-month tenure as transport minister where he opened the probe on the RM12.5 billion Port Klang Free Zone scandal even though senior officers told him it was a closed case.
“I put aside considerations of whether or not it would implicate Tun Dr Ling Liong Sik or Tan Sri Chan Kong Choy,” he said of the former MCA president and deputy who were Ong’s predecessors as transport minister.
“I was more concerned about how the party had been linked to that debacle which was a key factor in the March 2008 tsunami,” he added, referring to the BN’s landmark loss of its customary two-thirds majority in Parliament and five state governments.
But, he said, the reforms he tried to implement in the party and in the Transport Ministry, now headed by MCA secretary-general Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha, “all went down the drain” after he was ousted.
He also said he tried to caution Datuk Seri Ng Yen Yen whose tourism projects such as the RM1.8 million spent on developing six Facebook tourism campaigns have been repeatedly questioned.
“Taxpayers have every reason to ask, how can you justify your presence in that portfolio?” he said of the tourism minister, who was also criticised last year when Parliament revealed that she slashed her tourism promotional budget but increased spending on her official trips abroad.
Ng also came under fire after Tourism Malaysia’s former advertising agency alleged that the ministry had asked for bribes in exchange for a promotion contract.
“I admit that I failed to convince the party to change its mindset,” he said of his 18 months in charge of the MCA.















UPDATED @ 04:24:55 PM 02-10-2011
October 02, 2011


Ong’s blunt appraisal of MCA’s fortunes has found little favour with party colleagues. — File pic
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 2 — As MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek addressed the party at its 58th annual general assembly today, his predecessor went on an all-out attack against its current leaders on Twitter.
Former MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has accused the party's top echelon of fast becoming irrelevant for not heeding the call to reform by its ethnic support base after suffering big losses in Election 2008 — winning only 15 of the 40 federal and 32 of the 90 state seats it contested.
Ong’s words have drawn the ire of MCA colleagues Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai and Datuk Dr Wee Ka Siong, who sought yesterday to dismiss both the remarks and their as baseless.
“Tiong Lai and Ka Siong denied MCA is irrelevant. It’s now in both irrelevance and denial syndrome,” Ong replied today in another post on Twitter while Dr Chua was speaking on stage.
“Tiong Lai’s denial of MCA’s irrelevance is nothing great if compared to his denial in d Tung Shin incident,” the Pandan MP said of his party deputy president.
The MCA maverick also took a swipe at Wee, who is the party's Youth chief, for the low turnout at his wing’s AGM yesterday.
“Wow, MCA registered 27,000 new members, but only 30 per cent delegates attended Ka Siong’s Youth AGM. Time for him to cry genuinely,” he mocked, on Twitter.
“MCA Youth delegates offended by Wee Ka Siong’s words against me said he is expecting favour from Soi Lek,” Ong added.
Ong was nowhere to be seen at the Dewan San Choon in the MCA headquarters here during Dr Chua's presidential address.

The former transport minister told The Malaysian Insider in an interview last week that the Barisan Nasional (BN) component has not heeded the push for reform that saw the party lose 25 of the 40 federal and 59 of the 90 state seats it contested in Election 2008.
“MCA is still stuck in the mindset of being gungho with statements instead of delivering good governance. It is parroting old polemic rather than delivering reforms asked for by voters,” Ong said.
“If MCA continues on this same old path and psyche, then it is certainly headed for irrelevance. Some have bluntly said we are already irrelevant,” he added.
Ong, who was deposed as MCA boss by Dr Chua in a fractious power struggle 18 months ago, has admitted his failure to convince the party to change its mindset during his short-lived term in office.
But he took pride in being responsible for opening investigations into the RM12.5 billion Port Klang Free Zone scandal even though senior officers told him it was a closed case.













 THIS IS FINAL NAIL TO MCA'S DEMISE IN MALAYSIAN POLITICS..........   
MCA had in a private meeting with US diplomats conceded that the ethnic Chinese in the country was being marginalised
but could not admit it as it was bound to support the government's position and by extension, Umno.
This is according to a confidential cable between Washington and its embassy in Kuala Lumpur released by whistle blower
site Wikileaks, detailing a meeting with the embassy's political office with then MCA vice-president Ong Tee Keat .
The cable, dated Oct 19, 2006, was released this month.

"Of course we are marginalised, big business to small stall owners know that - but MCA cannot admit it," he was quoted
as saying to US diplomats. Ong who later went on to become MCA's president before being ousted by Chua Soi Lek,
had, according to the cable, said that the party had to remain silent over Chinese discontent.

According to the communiqué, Ong was quoted as saying that "silence is sometimes the only valid response" in reaction to
Chinese constituents' discontent over MCA and Gerakan's support of the government.

'MCA rely on Umno's crumbs'
The cable detailed the former MCA president's lament that the party could previously get Umno's "leftovers" for development
projects but now had to rely on what little it could get from the dominant coalition partner.

"There was once a day in Malaysia when MCA would get the leftovers, but now we are just hoping to get some crumbs
from the Umno table," Ong reportedly said in the cable.

An example cited was the Ninth Malaysian Plan where none of the 180 planned new schools were vernacular and only two
were given after protests from the minority communities. The cable also said Ong admitted to deep discontent among the
Chinese community against the status quo and that MCA would face its greatest electoral challenge in the coming general election.

His concerns became real in the 2008 general election, in which MCA saw its seats in Parliament halved from 31 to 15,
while Gerakan was swept out of its home state, losing all its state seats in Penang.

The cable is part of more than 250,000 US State Department communiqués with its embassies throughout the world,
leaked to Wikileaks, which has been releasing them in stages since November last year.

Repeated attempts to reach Ong for comments have been futile.
Perhaps this is why OTC is  persona non grata (不受欢迎的人)  in MCA and UMNO.





















































































The Great Chinese Debate was good but guess what's next - ANWAR vs NAJIB!
Mustapha Ong | 19 Feb 2012
I attended the much-awaited debate between Chua Soi Lek and Lim Guan Eng on Saturday organised by ASLI and INSAP, the first of its political collaboration. The response was very encouraging as we saw a thousand-strong audience in the hall of mostly Chinese and also a few dozens of Malays, Indians an...

















Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:53

The Great Chinese Debate was good but guess what's next - ANWAR vs NAJIB!

Written by  Mustapha Ong

I attended the much-awaited debate between Chua Soi Lek and Lim Guan Eng on Saturday organised by ASLI and INSAP, the first of its political collaboration.
The response was very encouraging as we saw a thousand-strong audience in the hall of mostly Chinese and also a few dozens of Malays, Indians and others. I believe there were another thousand others outside the hall as the place was packed to the maximum and movement was restricted. The debate had generated so much public interest not only from local residents but also from across the country as well as from some foreigners.














UPDATED @ 07:40:05 PM 20-02-2012
February 20, 2012


Dr Mahathir described Malaysians as too sentimental to appreciate the arguments in debates. — File pic
PUTRAJAYA, Feb 20 — Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad has downplayed the value of and need for politicians to debate each other, saying Malaysians were not ready for such exchanges.
The former prime minister said debates would only “make the situation worse” as Malaysians were far too sentimental and emotional to appreciate arguments that were presented rationally.
“The Malaysian public is not yet that mature. This is not America. And even in America, the debates all expose how stupid the candidates are, that’s all,” he told reporters at the Perdana Leadership Foundation here.
Dr Mahathir added that there was no need for Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak to debate Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim as “there was nothing to debate with him (over)”.
The Umno veteran described his former protégé as “chameleon” who would only say what people wanted to hear in the latter’s quest to be prime minister.
“He is everything to everybody,” he scoffed. “He changes colour every time. When he is with the Chinese, he condemns the NEP. When he is with the Indians, he is Indian. When he is with Muslims, he will give talks about Islam.”
The Perkasa patron had earlier held a closed-door discussion with the Malay rights group here on issues affecting the community.
When asked to comment on the talks, Dr Mahathir lamented that the Malays had to resort to private meetings to discuss matters concerning the community or risk being labelled as racists for speaking more openly.
“So we have to meet in seclusion, almost secretly, to talk about our problems. This very unfortunate in a country that talks about freedom of speech; we cannot talk about ourselves because it is racist.”
“People say there’s freedom to speak now but we can’t talk about one subject, and that is the Malays,” he said.
Perkasa chief Datuk Ibrahim Ali said in a separate press conference here later that it was crucial to tackle problems faced by the Malays to ensure the continued stability of the country.
According to him, the Malays must close ranks as the unity of Malaysia’s largest ethnic group was the backbone of national unity.
“In the long term, this is what the other races should keep in mind. They may achieve their demands and whatever they want, but later, in 10 or 15 years, if the economic disparity widens and the Malays are not happy, we cannot assure the security of the country.
“So that’s why when Perkasa resolves certain issues for the good of the Malays, it is also good for the other races. When the Malays are happy, definitely it will contribute to the happiness of society,” he said.






























In debate, Soi Lek gives himself away: He has no answers for the Chinese
K Suresh, Malaysia Chronicle | 19 Feb 2012
Inspite and despite the so-called great debate just concluded between Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng and MCA president Chua Soi Lek, and away from it, the latter continues with his traditional themes to scare the Chinese into submission: money and hudud, among other things. The only way that the...
















Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:02

In debate, Soi Lek gives himself away: He has no answers for the Chinese

Written by  K Suresh, Malaysia Chronicle


Inspite and despite the so-called great debate just concluded between Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng and MCA president Chua Soi Lek, and away from it, the latter continues with his traditional themes to scare the Chinese into submission: money and hudud, among other things.
The only way that the Chinese will buy Chua’s talk is if they had suddenly undergone metamorphosis and regressed sufficiently, intelligence-wise, on the evolutionary scale to prevent them from seeing through the MCA leader’s self-serving double-talk.
Not to hit below the belt, but there’s no guarantee at all that Chua can change his spots, and suddenly be the benchmark for being faithful and loyal to the Chinese community. After all, he could humiliate his own wife in public with an adultery case when a more caring and responsible man would have opted to quit to spare his partner of decades further pain for what is after his own sin and error.
























































February 19, 2012
FEB 19 — I think it is time everyone gave the MCA some recognition for their achievements and what they have done for Malaysians.
So here is the roll call of high achievers in MCA:
Tan Koon Swan:  in 1986, he was sentenced to two years’ jail by the Singapore High Court for criminal breach of trust relating to the collapse of Pan Electric Industries.
Ling Liong Sik: former party president and long-time minister has been charged with cheating and misleading the government in the Port Klang Free Zone scandal.
Chan Kong Choy: former party president and minister charged with several counts of deceiving former PM Abdullah Badawi into approving deals linked to the PKFZ.
Chua Soi Lek: current party president who resigned in 2008 after being featured in a sex VCD with a woman who was not his wife.
Kee Yong Wee: deputy trade minister was jailed for his role in the Komuda, the deposit-taking cooperative, in which the cash deposits of many ordinary Chinese members were found to have been misappropriated to save companies owned by some MCA leaders. The total loss was estimated to be RM3.6 billion.
Wang Choon Wing: deputy minister was jailed in 1987 with criminal breach of trust in a deposit-taking cooperatives scandal.
* In between alleged criminal activities and indulging in their own fantasies, the party that claims to represent Malaysian Chinese has also scored other achievements, namely, leadership tussles.
There was Michael Chen who left MCA after losing to Lee San Choon; the first Team and Team B battle between Neo Yee Pan and Tan Koon Swan; there was the fallout between Ling Liong Sik and Lee Kim Sai; and the fallout between Lim Ah Lek and Ling, which resulted in the second Team A and Team B fight. And then there was the third Team A and Team B fight between Chua Soi Lek and Ong Tee Keat.
All in all, the MCA has achieved much. Just not sure for whom.

* Tan Teck Huat reads The Malaysian Insider.























MCA-DAP debate: Honesty wanted






























Two of the most prominent Chinese politicians go head-to-head in a rare televised debate with MCA president Chua Soi Lek facing off DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng.
The debate topic is titled 'Chinese at the crossroads: Is the two-party system becoming a two-race system?'.

chua soi lek and lim guan eng debateTensions runs high in the packed ballroom at the Berjaya Hotel, Kuala
Lumpur with a 600-strong crowd.

About 200 more who failed to secure entry passes are viewing following the debate through a big screen outside the hall (left).

LIVE REPORTS
4.55pm: The ballroom erupts as rival supporters chant stands up to
chant the respective names of the debators as they take the stage.
5pm: Moderator Tan Ah Chai, chief executive officer of the Kuala Lumpur-Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall, kicks off the session by explaining the rules.
For the opening speeches, each debator will be allowed to speak
for eight minutes.
5.02pm: The duo draw steps up to the moderator's podium to lots
enclosed in a envelope, to choose the first speaker. Chua Soi Lek will go first.
Debate Chua Soi Lek5.05pm: After March 8, 2008. DAP has been practising the politics of hatred, says Chua.
He adds DAP has changed and is now teaming up with PAS, which wants to implement a theocratic state. He says DAP cannot stop PAS.

"DAP is just talking big," said Chua, triggering the first major
applause from the floor, albiet from the MCA side.

He backs up his argument by stating that Kedah practice gender
segregation while PAS is opposing to cinemas in Bangi, Selangor.
5.07pm: DAP likes to tell the Chinese that voting the opposition would improve living standards, pointing to how a DAP candidate can become a chief minister of Penang, says Chua.

Chua says DAP was giving false hopes to the Chinese that such a
situation can happen in other states too.
5.10pm: Chua says that in multi-cultural country, Malaysians cannot support PAS because of its Islamic state agenda.

"Who is PAS' biggest ally?" asks Chua, to which the MCA crowd shouts in unison "DAP!".
Debate Lim Guan Eng5.12pm: It's now Lim Guan Eng's turn.
He thanks the organisers for organising the debate but says that what the public wants to see is a debate between PM Najib Razak and Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim.
5.14pm: "We in Pakatan Rakyat don't make use of each other. Our
concern is how the public makes use of us.

"We aren't against the Malays. We aren't against the Chinese. We are against corruption," says Lim, whipping the Pakatan crowd into a frenzy...















February 19, 2012
KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 19 — Former MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has described jibes by his successor, Datuk Dr Chua Soi Lek, as a sign of “insecurity” from a leader who oversaw the party’s worst ever electoral defeat.
Ong said Dr Chua should explain to MCA members why popular support for the Barisan Nasional (BN) component party has plummeted instead of taking “cheap shots” at someone who could not defend himself.
“He should ask why the party has no support as he is the president now,” he told The Malaysian Insider.
During his debate with DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng yesterday, Dr Chua remarked that MCA had rejected Ong because he turned the party from one that took “leftovers” from Umno to one which subsisted only on “crumbs”.
But Ong yesterday refused to comment further on the “unethical” swipe by Dr Chua, who wrested the party presidency from the former in March 2010, saying he did not wish to bother responding to such statements.
“Personally, I just brushed it off. I choose to disdain this kind of cheap shot. I was not there to have my say,” he said firmly.
“He may call me anything because he won the (party) election, but under his leadership support for the party has nosedived.”
Ong (picture) added that both debaters had failed to delve into the topic - “Chinese at the Crossroads: Is the Two-Party System Becoming a Two-Race System?” — and merely talked at each other for an hour.
“They talked about what they wanted (to talk about). In a way, it was more like party propaganda,” he said.
Yesterday’s debate between Dr Chua and Lim was organised by the Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute (ASLI) and MCA’s Institute of Strategic Analysis and Policy Research (INSAP).
The highly anticipated debate — only the second such exchange between senior BN and Pakatan Rakyat (PR) leaders since opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim’s debate with then-information minister Datuk Seri Shabeery Cheek — was broadcast live on Astro.
Political analysts have criticised the Mandarin debate for veering greatly off-topic and descending into mere political posturing.
Both Dr Chua and Lim said yesterday they would organised another debate on another topic in Malay and English soon.



























Different colour same smell


Whatever it is, I am happy that Chua Soi Lek is making these statements. That can only help Pakatan Rakyat. We can’t deny that the support of the Malay heartland is very crucial if Pakatan Rakyat wants to form the next federal government. And Chua Soi Lek’s Islam-bashing will achieve just that.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin

Saudi Arabia practices Wahhabi Islam. Wahhabi Islam, also called Salafism, is a religious movement within the Sunni branch of Islam. Iranians, who are of Persian stock and practice Shia Islam, regard the Saudi Arabs as deviants -- and vice versa.
By the way, today I am talking about history and politics, not religion, so hold your horses and don’t foam at the mouth just yet.
Wahhabism was started by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, a Muslim theologian, in the 1700s, almost 100 years before the French Revolution. That was during the time of the Ottoman Empire. It is a very ‘harsh’ form of Islam and extremely intolerant with ‘impurities’ and ‘deviants’.
Incidentally, now do you understand why they wanted Malaysia to extradite 23-year old Hamza Kashgari back to this motherland whose tweets are regarded as blasphemous by the Saudi authorities? Saudi Arabia still regards blasphemy, heresy and apostasy as crimes punishable by death. They would execute you with a sword in a public square after Friday prayers.
Anyway, it was not until about 100 years later, in the 1820s, that the Arabian Peninsular saw the first Wahhabi uprising. That was around the time of the Napoleonic Wars. However, the uprising was put down by the Egyptians who conquered the Arabian Peninsular in many battles throughout the 1800s.
After the First World War, which saw the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, there was a resurgence of Wahhabism when the Arab Revolt started. This time they succeeded where they had failed about 100 years earlier when the Saud family of Riyadh teamed up with the Wahhabis to sweep across the Arabian Peninsular.
The ‘final solution’ was simple: either you are with us or you are against us. As the Saud-Wahhabi army moved from village to village, they just asked one question: are you Muslim, Jew or Christian? If you were Jew or Christian you would be spared. If you were Muslim, you would be executed. This was because if you were Muslim then that would mean you were not Wahhabi Muslim and therefore should be put to death.
Very brutal and barbaric, don’t you think so? Well, President Bush did the same thing. President Bush said: either you are with us or you are against us. And if you are not with us then he will send in the Marines and bomb you back to the Middle Ages.
Now, Teresa Kok is saying the same thing. She said: Is FMT (Free Malaysia Today) neutral, friend or foe to DAP? (READ HERE).
Again, are you with us or are you against us? So what does that make Teresa Kok? A Wahhabi Christian?
Pakatan Rakyat leaders must learn to stop talking like wild Arabian tribes from the desert. We whack intolerant Muslims who refuse to allow civil liberties, freedom of choice, freedom of opinion, freedom of expression, freedom of lifestyle, etc., and call them Talibans and camel-bonkers. We express outrage when a 23-year old Saudi chap is deported back to Saudi Arabia to meet his death by execution for ‘insulting the Prophet’.  Are we really that better and think we have a right to moralise?
On another matter, Chua Soi Lek has taken it upon himself to become Islam’s greatest opponent. No, I am not going to whack him. In fact, I like what he is doing. What Chua Soi Lek is doing is exactly what 23-year old Hamza Kashgari did and who has now been sent back to his country to be executed.
Okay, maybe Chua Soi Lek’s choice of words and phrases is a bit different from that used by Hamza Kashgari. But the implications are the same.
Muslims believe that whatever they are propagating are the teachings of Prophet Muhammad. Hence, if you whack these teachings, in that same breath you are whacking the Prophet. If you say the teachings of Islam are stupid then it would be interpreted as you are saying that the teachings of the Prophet are stupid, and this means Prophet Muhammad is stupid.
Is Chua Soi Lek being properly advised on this or not? Or is Umno asking him to do it because Umno themselves can’t do it lest the Malays rise up in an uproar? Or has Chua Soi Lek made a secret pact with Anwar Ibrahim where the former would become the latter’s Trojan horse in Barisan Nasional by making statements that will enrage the Malays and send them to the opposition resulting in Umno losing Malay support?
Whatever it is, I am happy that Chua Soi Lek is making these statements. That can only help Pakatan Rakyat. We can’t deny that the support of the Malay heartland is very crucial if Pakatan Rakyat wants to form the next federal government. And Chua Soi Lek’s Islam-bashing will achieve just that.





























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A quote by Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng during his debate with MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek in Kuala Lumpur on February 18, 2012.





















  • Lim Guan Eng (left) and Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek shake hands before the start of their debate in KL on February 18, 2012. In the centre is moderator Tan Ah Chai. — Picture by Jack Ooi



































































































































































































































  • Datuk Seri Najib Razak shakes hands with Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek (second right) at the “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference in KL, February 18, 2011.—Picture by Jack Ooi














































































  • MCA-DAP debate: Honesty wanted



















    UPDATED @ 08:06:44 PM 18-02-2012
    February 18, 2012


    Dr Chua (left) and Lim share a light moment before the start of their debate. In the middle is moderator Tan Ah Chai. — Picture by Jack Ooi
    KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — The highly anticipated debate between Lim Guan Eng and Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek saw both leaders accuse the other of being afraid to stand up to Umno, the dominant Malay party that has held the reins of power since independence.
    MCA president Dr Chua began the debate by immediately accusing Lim’s DAP of being “political eunuchs” who dare not go up against Umno in elections.
    “DAP says it is multiracial but depends on Chinese support and wins only in Chinese seats. They tell Chinese they need to teach Umno a lesson but they never face Umno,” he told an audience of over 800.
    But DAP secretary general Lim shot back, saying the MCA has never been brave enough to stand up to its Barisan Nasional (BN) partner.
    “Umno talks about Ketuanan Melayu (Malay Supremacy). Is MCA brave enough to stop them? Can’t MCA see, this two-race system is within BN itself,” the Penang chief minister said.
    The Bagan MP also referred to the RM250 million National Feedlot Centre (NFC) scandal that has engulfed Wanita Umno chief Datuk Seri Shahrizat Abdul Jalil, calling it “just the tip of the iceberg.”
    “Former MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has admitted MCA used to eat Umno’s leftovers. But now MCA can only get breadcrumbs,” he said.
    Dr Chua, who deposed Ong as party president in March 2010 after a protracted power struggle, dismissed Ong’s statement, pointing out “that’s why in one year, we brought him down.”
    Lim also said that the RM12.5 billion Port Klang Free Zone (PKFZ) scandal has seen Tun Dr Ling Liong Sik and Tan Sri Chan Kong Choy, former MCA president and deputy president respectively, being charged in court while their then Cabinet colleagues from Umno “got away scot free.”
    But Dr Chua said this displayed his foe’s “racial sentiment by asking why only Chinese were charged but not Malays.”
    The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?”, was also screened on Astro in both Mandarin and with Malay translation.
    The floor largely backed a stern-looking Dr Chua whose opponent smiled through most of the debate despite enduring heavy fire from questions by the audience.














    February 18, 2012


    Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek at the debate. – Photo by Jack Ooi
    KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 – Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek said today DAP will be unable to stop PAS from establishing an Islamic state should Pakatan Rakyat (PR) come into power as “PAS is the taiko (big brother).”
    The MCA president pointed to how PAS held the mentri besar post in Perak after Election 2008 despite DAP having the lion’s share of state assemblymen.
    “Perak DAP had 18 seats. PKR and PAS together had 13. The taiko should be DAP but PAS became the taiko,” he said in today’s debate with his rival Lim Guan Eng.
    “DAP has no way of stopping PAS. PAS will create an Islamic state. Kelantan and Kedah show us clearly that DAP is actually a slave to PAS,” the former health minister added, referring to the two state governments currently led by PAS.
    But Lim dismissed the accusation as “Barisan Nasional’s (BN) dirty tactics” as “Umno tells Malays, PAS is used by DAP instead.”
    “We are not anti-Malay. Only anti-corrupt BN. PAS, PKR and DAP, nobody is using anybody. We are only ready to be used by the public,” the DAP secretary general said to the 800-strong audience of largely MCA supporters.
    Dr Chua has repeatedly accused DAP of trying to create a “two-race” system with Chinese supporting the opposition PR and Malays backing BN and called on Chinese not to allow this to happen as it will also lead to PAS forcing Islamic laws on non-Muslims.
    However, Lim, who is Penang chief minister, accused MCA of not being brave enough to stand up to Umno, the Malay party that has held the reins of power since independence.
    But Dr Chua responded saying “you ask if we dare to fight Umno? Does DAP dare to fight PAS?”
    The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?” was also screened on Astro in both Mandarin and with Malay translation.














    February 18, 2012


    Lim (left) and Dr Chua greet each other warmly at the end of their debate. — Picture by Jack Ooi
    KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek has called his debate with DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng this evening a victory for the public, who got to hear views from both sides of the political divide.
    The MCA president, whose hour-long debate in Mandarin with Lim was shown live on Astro, stressed that the public should not see the event as a “school debate” with winners and losers but a chance to better understand the two parties.
    “The winner is the people, and not Lim Guan Eng or Chua Soi Lek, because they are the ones who know the true position of the parties,” he told reporters after the debate at the “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference here.
    Dr Chua hoped the debate held at Berjaya Times Square Hotel here would serve as starting point for similar events between the MCA and DAP in future, but said that it would be up to individual politicians to decide if they wanted to do so.
    Lim also said today’s debate on the two-party system in Malaysia had benefited the people as such exchanges were part and parcel of a healthy democracy.
    This was because debates helped to air advice and dissent, which is crucial to building consensus through a process of public consultation, he explained.
    He wished to see other leaders from Barisan Nasional (BN) and Pakatan Rakyat (PR) take part in such debates, singling out Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak.
    “We hope this small step will be followed by a big one, that is (a debate) between Datuk Seri Najib and opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim,” Lim said, joking that the public would get bored if only he and Dr Chua debated each other.
    Najib has baulked at several offers from Anwar to debate on policy issues, which the PKR de facto leader has said would let voters decide for themselves if the opposition pact’s plans for the country had merit.
    The Umno president had previously demurred by saying debates were not necessary as political parties were more important than individuals in Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy.
    Both Dr Chua and Lim said they would debate each other again soon in Bahasa Malaysia and English on another topic.













    MCA-DAP debate: Honesty wanted






























    Two of the most prominent Chinese politicians go head-to-head in a rare televised debate with MCA president Chua Soi Lek facing off DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng.
    The debate topic is titled 'Chinese at the crossroads: Is the two-party system becoming a two-race system?'.

    chua soi lek and lim guan eng debateTensions runs high in the packed ballroom at the Berjaya Hotel, Kuala
    Lumpur with a 600-strong crowd.

    About 200 more who failed to secure entry passes are viewing following the debate through a big screen outside the hall (left).

    LIVE REPORTS
    4.55pm: The ballroom erupts as rival supporters chant stands up to
    chant the respective names of the debators as they take the stage.
    5pm: Moderator Tan Ah Chai, chief executive officer of the Kuala Lumpur-Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall, kicks off the session by explaining the rules.
    For the opening speeches, each debator will be allowed to speak
    for eight minutes.
    5.02pm: The duo draw steps up to the moderator's podium to lots
    enclosed in a envelope, to choose the first speaker. Chua Soi Lek will go first.
    Debate Chua Soi Lek5.05pm: After March 8, 2008. DAP has been practising the politics of hatred, says Chua.
    He adds DAP has changed and is now teaming up with PAS, which wants to implement a theocratic state. He says DAP cannot stop PAS.

    "DAP is just talking big," said Chua, triggering the first major
    applause from the floor, albiet from the MCA side.

    He backs up his argument by stating that Kedah practice gender
    segregation while PAS is opposing to cinemas in Bangi, Selangor.
    5.07pm: DAP likes to tell the Chinese that voting the opposition would improve living standards, pointing to how a DAP candidate can become a chief minister of Penang, says Chua.

    Chua says DAP was giving false hopes to the Chinese that such a
    situation can happen in other states too.
    5.10pm: Chua says that in multi-cultural country, Malaysians cannot support PAS because of its Islamic state agenda.

    "Who is PAS' biggest ally?" asks Chua, to which the MCA crowd shouts in unison "DAP!".
    Debate Lim Guan Eng5.12pm: It's now Lim Guan Eng's turn.
    He thanks the organisers for organising the debate but says that what the public wants to see is a debate between PM Najib Razak and Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim.
    5.14pm: "We in Pakatan Rakyat don't make use of each other. Our
    concern is how the public makes use of us.

    "We aren't against the Malays. We aren't against the Chinese. We are against corruption," says Lim, whipping the Pakatan crowd into a frenzy...

















































  • A quote by MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek during his debate with Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng in Kuala Lumpur on February 18, 2012.


















































































  • MCA-DAP debate: Honesty wanted



















    UPDATED @ 08:06:44 PM 18-02-2012
    February 18, 2012


    Dr Chua (left) and Lim share a light moment before the start of their debate. In the middle is moderator Tan Ah Chai. — Picture by Jack Ooi
    KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — The highly anticipated debate between Lim Guan Eng and Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek saw both leaders accuse the other of being afraid to stand up to Umno, the dominant Malay party that has held the reins of power since independence.
    MCA president Dr Chua began the debate by immediately accusing Lim’s DAP of being “political eunuchs” who dare not go up against Umno in elections.
    “DAP says it is multiracial but depends on Chinese support and wins only in Chinese seats. They tell Chinese they need to teach Umno a lesson but they never face Umno,” he told an audience of over 800.
    But DAP secretary general Lim shot back, saying the MCA has never been brave enough to stand up to its Barisan Nasional (BN) partner.
    “Umno talks about Ketuanan Melayu (Malay Supremacy). Is MCA brave enough to stop them? Can’t MCA see, this two-race system is within BN itself,” the Penang chief minister said.
    The Bagan MP also referred to the RM250 million National Feedlot Centre (NFC) scandal that has engulfed Wanita Umno chief Datuk Seri Shahrizat Abdul Jalil, calling it “just the tip of the iceberg.”
    “Former MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has admitted MCA used to eat Umno’s leftovers. But now MCA can only get breadcrumbs,” he said.
    Dr Chua, who deposed Ong as party president in March 2010 after a protracted power struggle, dismissed Ong’s statement, pointing out “that’s why in one year, we brought him down.”
    Lim also said that the RM12.5 billion Port Klang Free Zone (PKFZ) scandal has seen Tun Dr Ling Liong Sik and Tan Sri Chan Kong Choy, former MCA president and deputy president respectively, being charged in court while their then Cabinet colleagues from Umno “got away scot free.”
    But Dr Chua said this displayed his foe’s “racial sentiment by asking why only Chinese were charged but not Malays.”
    The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?”, was also screened on Astro in both Mandarin and with Malay translation.
    The floor largely backed a stern-looking Dr Chua whose opponent smiled through most of the debate despite enduring heavy fire from questions by the audience.














    February 18, 2012


    Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek at the debate. – Photo by Jack Ooi
    KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 – Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek said today DAP will be unable to stop PAS from establishing an Islamic state should Pakatan Rakyat (PR) come into power as “PAS is the taiko (big brother).”
    The MCA president pointed to how PAS held the mentri besar post in Perak after Election 2008 despite DAP having the lion’s share of state assemblymen.
    “Perak DAP had 18 seats. PKR and PAS together had 13. The taiko should be DAP but PAS became the taiko,” he said in today’s debate with his rival Lim Guan Eng.
    “DAP has no way of stopping PAS. PAS will create an Islamic state. Kelantan and Kedah show us clearly that DAP is actually a slave to PAS,” the former health minister added, referring to the two state governments currently led by PAS.
    But Lim dismissed the accusation as “Barisan Nasional’s (BN) dirty tactics” as “Umno tells Malays, PAS is used by DAP instead.”
    “We are not anti-Malay. Only anti-corrupt BN. PAS, PKR and DAP, nobody is using anybody. We are only ready to be used by the public,” the DAP secretary general said to the 800-strong audience of largely MCA supporters.
    Dr Chua has repeatedly accused DAP of trying to create a “two-race” system with Chinese supporting the opposition PR and Malays backing BN and called on Chinese not to allow this to happen as it will also lead to PAS forcing Islamic laws on non-Muslims.
    However, Lim, who is Penang chief minister, accused MCA of not being brave enough to stand up to Umno, the Malay party that has held the reins of power since independence.
    But Dr Chua responded saying “you ask if we dare to fight Umno? Does DAP dare to fight PAS?”
    The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?” was also screened on Astro in both Mandarin and with Malay translation.














    February 18, 2012


    Lim (left) and Dr Chua greet each other warmly at the end of their debate. — Picture by Jack Ooi
    KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek has called his debate with DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng this evening a victory for the public, who got to hear views from both sides of the political divide.
    The MCA president, whose hour-long debate in Mandarin with Lim was shown live on Astro, stressed that the public should not see the event as a “school debate” with winners and losers but a chance to better understand the two parties.
    “The winner is the people, and not Lim Guan Eng or Chua Soi Lek, because they are the ones who know the true position of the parties,” he told reporters after the debate at the “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference here.
    Dr Chua hoped the debate held at Berjaya Times Square Hotel here would serve as starting point for similar events between the MCA and DAP in future, but said that it would be up to individual politicians to decide if they wanted to do so.
    Lim also said today’s debate on the two-party system in Malaysia had benefited the people as such exchanges were part and parcel of a healthy democracy.
    This was because debates helped to air advice and dissent, which is crucial to building consensus through a process of public consultation, he explained.
    He wished to see other leaders from Barisan Nasional (BN) and Pakatan Rakyat (PR) take part in such debates, singling out Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak.
    “We hope this small step will be followed by a big one, that is (a debate) between Datuk Seri Najib and opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim,” Lim said, joking that the public would get bored if only he and Dr Chua debated each other.
    Najib has baulked at several offers from Anwar to debate on policy issues, which the PKR de facto leader has said would let voters decide for themselves if the opposition pact’s plans for the country had merit.
    The Umno president had previously demurred by saying debates were not necessary as political parties were more important than individuals in Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy.
    Both Dr Chua and Lim said they would debate each other again soon in Bahasa Malaysia and English on another topic.













    MCA-DAP debate: Honesty wanted






























    Two of the most prominent Chinese politicians go head-to-head in a rare televised debate with MCA president Chua Soi Lek facing off DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng.
    The debate topic is titled 'Chinese at the crossroads: Is the two-party system becoming a two-race system?'.

    chua soi lek and lim guan eng debateTensions runs high in the packed ballroom at the Berjaya Hotel, Kuala
    Lumpur with a 600-strong crowd.

    About 200 more who failed to secure entry passes are viewing following the debate through a big screen outside the hall (left).

    LIVE REPORTS
    4.55pm: The ballroom erupts as rival supporters chant stands up to
    chant the respective names of the debators as they take the stage.
    5pm: Moderator Tan Ah Chai, chief executive officer of the Kuala Lumpur-Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall, kicks off the session by explaining the rules.
    For the opening speeches, each debator will be allowed to speak
    for eight minutes.
    5.02pm: The duo draw steps up to the moderator's podium to lots
    enclosed in a envelope, to choose the first speaker. Chua Soi Lek will go first.
    Debate Chua Soi Lek5.05pm: After March 8, 2008. DAP has been practising the politics of hatred, says Chua.
    He adds DAP has changed and is now teaming up with PAS, which wants to implement a theocratic state. He says DAP cannot stop PAS.

    "DAP is just talking big," said Chua, triggering the first major
    applause from the floor, albiet from the MCA side.

    He backs up his argument by stating that Kedah practice gender
    segregation while PAS is opposing to cinemas in Bangi, Selangor.
    5.07pm: DAP likes to tell the Chinese that voting the opposition would improve living standards, pointing to how a DAP candidate can become a chief minister of Penang, says Chua.

    Chua says DAP was giving false hopes to the Chinese that such a
    situation can happen in other states too.
    5.10pm: Chua says that in multi-cultural country, Malaysians cannot support PAS because of its Islamic state agenda.

    "Who is PAS' biggest ally?" asks Chua, to which the MCA crowd shouts in unison "DAP!".
    Debate Lim Guan Eng5.12pm: It's now Lim Guan Eng's turn.
    He thanks the organisers for organising the debate but says that what the public wants to see is a debate between PM Najib Razak and Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim.
    5.14pm: "We in Pakatan Rakyat don't make use of each other. Our
    concern is how the public makes use of us.

    "We aren't against the Malays. We aren't against the Chinese. We are against corruption," says Lim, whipping the Pakatan crowd into a frenzy...

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